[mnet-devel] Replacing EGTP with PB over SSL

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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Jim McCoy wrote:

> If it isn't broken, don't fix it.  A simple mantra that the mnet
> hackers need to have pounded into their heads with a brick (the raw
> talent here is very impressive, the way it is being wasted is just
> sad.)  "Not as elegant as I would like", "doesn't protect against this
> unrealistic threat model I created to justify my research", and
> "doesn't scale up to a network size that this system will never see at
> its current rate of growth" are _not_ the same thing as being "broken."

This depends on your purpose. You assume that research is not the reason
people are doing mnet.

>   Another lesson to learn (are you listening Zooko?) is that perfect is
> the enemy of good enough.  Most of the low-level services in mnet are
> good enough, but trying to make them perfect wastes time -- while we
> waste time on invented problems potential users are going elsewhere.
> When the "its all perfect" version of mnet comes out no one will care
> because they will be using good enough solutions and the switching cost
> will lead them to ignore all of the effort that went in to making mnet
> perfect.
>

Once again, you assume that the ultimate goal is not research or making a
system as perfect as one can.

> work.  Making EGTP into a twisted protocol would also be a step we
> (HiveCache) would be willing to pay someone (or a couple of people) to
> do.
>

This does nothing for me at all. I already have a job with stressfull
deadlines. (Of course maybe some other mnet hacker will jump at this.)
But the Twisted people are often motivated by more users, and some of them
consult. They are probably the best market for this job.


> When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail...  I support your

I agree with this, but it isn't just software we are talking about here.
Its also ideaologies. I understand that you have a vested monetary
interest in MojoNation/HiveCache. But you are the only one here that is
motivated by such concerns.

Talking with Zooko last night led me to an epiphany, I'm here becuase of
the positive feedback I recieve. And the feedback I want and get is not
from end users, but from other hackers. Now I can't speak for everyone,
but I'd rather have a system I'm proud of than the most popular piece of
crap. So, maybe its ok that we never have the most users. Maybe its fine
that others take some of our ideas and cobble them into more popular
systems. I'm ok with being Xerox PARC instead of 3com.

This is all a matter of motivations. Some people here may be motivated by
money. But its my bet that most are not. If you want to guide the course
of development then you have to offer incentives that motivate the people
to whome you are trying to influence.

Luke.-


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